Owner of SEO CoPilot Interviewed by Spire Radio

SEO CoPilot were kindly asked to feature in an interview by Spire Radio which was a live broadcast on the 6th February 2018, where we spoke about Search Engine Optimisation and how it impacts businesses online – which we were honoured to be a part of!
In this interview we got the opportunity to share some of the tips and techniques we use to help our clients’ websites rank in the top positions of Google, and show how hard we work at SEO CoPilot to do the job right.

Listen to the Spire Radio interview here:

SEO CoPilot Spire Radio Interview

Spire Radio Speaker: We are Chesterfield through and through, from Brampton to Staveley, from Hasland to Newbold, we are Spire Radio.

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Stay with us for the next hours. We speak to guy SEO CoPilot, and he’s from SEO copilot, which probably doesn’t mean much to many of our listeners. So guy is here to tell us what tells us the basics of SEO, which I believe is search engine optimization.

SEO CoPilot: It is, I think to understand SEO, you have to understand what a search engine is and what a search engine does. Imagine it’s a library. If you go to a library and the library had 1000 books, and you know the library had a book that you wanted, but when you got to the library, all these books were in the middle of the floor on a pile not organized, you’d never be able to find what you’re looking for. So basically, because there are over 3 trillion web pages on the internet.

Radio Host: 3 trillion?

SEO CoPilot: 3 trillion, yeah, it’s quite a few. So it needs a lot of sorting out. So basically, what search engine is it’s a way of organizing the web pages so they’re easily found when you put a search into the search box in Google. I’ll mention Google because it’s 80% of the search market.

Radio Host: It’s the one we all use. It’s even become one of those terms like hoovering your floor. You just Google it, don’t you?

SEO CoPilot: I think it’s in the dictionary into Google.

Radio Host: Oh, is it? I wouldn’t be surprised, apparently.

SEO CoPilot: So, yeah, it’s a way of organizing the different web pages so they’re easily found. So if a company’s got a website, if they want to show up, basically for organic searches, when people are looking for, I don’t know, an architect in Chesterfield, you want to show up for these organic searches that people are using to find services and products rather than just a company name because if they know your company name, they already know about you.

Radio Host: So, for any business who has a website presence, they always talk about being number one. Top of Google is the Holy Grail, and I know myself. I get a lot of emails from companies, many based overseas, saying they’ll get me to number one Google for princely sum of £99. Will they?

SEO CoPilot: No, unfortunately not. I get about five or six of those a day myself.

Radio Host: So it’s an SEO company?

SEO CoPilot: Yeah. So they’ve not really put much thought into it, have they? It just can’t be done. It’s just make believe. It’s like Narnia. It doesn’t exist.

Radio Host: Or they could get you to the top of Google for something completely obscure.

SEO CoPilot: Yeah, they could tell you that they’ve got you for certain key phrases or terms. But if nobody’s actually using those terms to find businesses like yourself, it’s going to be no use. And to be honest, the amount of work there is these days in search engine optimization, you just couldn’t do the amount of work needed for $99 or pounds a month. Just not going to…

Radio Host: So tell me, what does SEO, search engine optimization, what are you doing behind the scenes to websites or whatever?

SEO CoPilot: Well, basically, Google looks to when somebody puts some keywords or key phrase into the search box, Google tries to return the best return for the query. And what I mean by that is that the most relevant web page for whatever somebody’s put in. So search engine optimization, what we try and do is make the website and the web page as relevant for the terms that you need to show up for as possible.

So if it was landscape garden in Chesterfield, it’s no good. If that’s your business, and you’re in Chesterfield, and those terms aren’t anywhere on the website, it’s not going to show up because why would it be? It’s not relevant. So you have to build the entire website around certain keywords and phrases. There’s a lot more to it because Google takes into consideration over 200 different signals.

Radio Host: Wow!

SEO CoPilot: Wow. Indeed, it’s a lot. So the search algorithm just does it.

Radio Host: Algorithm? That’s the word that I haven’t heard since school. What does that mean?

SEO CoPilot: It’s basically just a mathematical equation that Google’s got, what they call Googlebot. It’s a bit of software that goes and scans every single page on the internet. Once it scanned it, it works out using the algorithm, these 200 different signals as into how important that page will be for that specific term.

Radio Host: It’s almost like a tick-box exercise.

SEO CoPilot: Yes, lots of different ticks. So if you get enough ticks for particular keywords, then you’ll show up. When people search for that, you’re more important. There are two different parts to SEO as well. There’s what they call on-site or on-page SEO and off-site or off-page SEO. So the onsite is basically the physical website, the code, the content links, the structure images, and then the off-site is basically your relationship on the internet. So how many other websites that are relevant link back to your website, and that can help you build higher because you’re more important basically for that particular keyword?

Radio Host: Right, okay. And how does the social media like Twitter and Facebook, does that help with your SEO and your Google presence?

SEO CoPilot: Not when it first started, when social media first sort of started doing the rounds, but over the last few years, it’s got far more important because Google knows that basically, nearly everyone uses social media of some form. So the way they do it is they look for social media indications.

Now what that means is that everyone uses social media. So if your website is important, people would expect Google would expect to see that your website has been shared socially and people are interacting with your page. Now, that gives more dynamic results. So the more important you are socially in social media, the more important your website is dynamically. So it keeps it fresh.

Radio Host: So we’re talking about likes and followers and things like that?

SEO CoPilot: Yeah. And the amount of time people actually share your URL. That the address of your website.

Radio Host: Right. So if you’re a business and you’ve got a website, getting to the top of Google is not a quick fix or easy, really.

SEO CoPilot: No, not at all. It’s going to take at least three to six months to scratch the surface, really, depending how competitive the niche is that you’re trying to compete with.

Radio Host: And of course, the competitors out there, like the big brands, the big companies, they’ve got lots of money they can throw with it and pay people like you, teams of people like you.

SEO CoPilot: Teams of people like me.

Radio Host: Yeah, constantly be doing stuff to tick every one of those 200 boxes.

SEO CoPilot: That’s right!

Radio Host: Now, I don’t want to dishearten people. We’re going to take a short break, and when we come back, we’ll be talking to guy SEO CoPilot from SEO CoPilot some more about what you can do with your website to help it along with SEO.

Spire Radio Speaker: Your community station for Chesterfield and north Derbyshire. This is Spire Radio.

Radio Host: Welcome back. I’m talking to guy SEO CoPilot who is from SEO CoPilot. So you’ve given us the lowdown on what SEO is, and it’s not a simple, quick fix. You started the business six years ago. How did you get into SEO?

SEO CoPilot: That was through a friend of mine, actually, Mark Bonnington, who’s now a client still because he knows I’ve always worked on computers. I was interested in different things. He asked me to build a website for his business, but I had no clue how to build one.

Radio Host: Brave man who trusts.

SEO CoPilot: Yeah. So I looked at a few tutorials, et cetera, et cetera, find out to get a website template, and I basically built it and changed it and added some content for him. Now, a couple of weeks in, he starts giving me some grief that no one was ringing him and nobody was getting to him. So I have no idea.

So he says, “Well, find out for me”. So I did. So I had a look around and found something called search engine optimization. So I started implementing some of the things that I read, and I just became really fascinated by it. And within a few months, we got him to the top of the search engines, and there was that much business, and he’s done very well ever since.

Radio Host: Wow. People do feel a website can be the magic bullet, but if you have a website, it’s not a case of creating it and just leaving it there, is it?

SEO CoPilot: No. Unfortunately, as well, a lot of people will go to a web designer, and web designers are trained in how to design a website, but they don’t always understand how to design one for search optimization. So it ends up just being a box of pretty pictures and text, which doesn’t do a lot, but you have to then add fresh content through your blog, things like that, develop a campaign.

Radio Host: So it’s constantly evolving, isn’t it? How have you seen websites and search engine optimization change just in the last six years?

SEO CoPilot: Oh, massively. Google brought out more updates in the last couple of years than they have in the previous ten, developing all the time. And now the quality of a website has to be far, far higher than it did five or six years ago to get anywhere. Years ago, people could have a really poor-looking website with certain SEO techniques. It could be number one in Google. But now the quality of the website has got to be really good. The content on the website has got to be really good.

Radio Host: When you say content, do you mean the written words?

SEO CoPilot: Mainly the written words, yeah. You look to put keywords in there. There used to be something called keyword stuff, and where people would just put the word that we’re trying to rank for over and over again and manipulate it.

Radio Host: And I can remember that searching for things on Google and the website come up, and it would be virtual mumbo jumbo, wouldn’t it?

SEO CoPilot: It was Gobbledygook, most of it. There’s none of that anymore that won’t rank because there’s also something called LSI, which is Latent Semantic Indexing. So Google now understands the relationship between words, so it will know if something’s being written to manipulate search engines or not. All written in written well, so they’re much brighter than they ever were.

Radio Host: So we’re saying they are, but we’re really talking about like robots and bots and things going out and find it’s very sophisticated.

SEO CoPilot: The Google bot.

Radio Host: The Google bot. And so if they find that you’ve keywords stuffed it and things like that, what does Google do to a website?

SEO CoPilot: There are two things. Well, two parts of the same thing. You can get what they call an algorithmic filter penalty, so that’s just the software will pick up these bad points, and your website will drop down. It’ll get a penalty, so it’ll drop lower in the rankings. That will then probably trigger a manual review at Google.

So an actual person will check the website to see if they think that you’ve actually tried to manipulate the rankings. And if they find you have, then you’ll get a manual penalty. And it’s incredibly difficult to get rid of those. And quite often, people have to start again.

Radio Host: Oh, really?

SEO CoPilot: Yeah. Brand new website, brand new domain.

Radio Host: Cool! Which? I suppose if you’re a long-established business.

SEO CoPilot: Can cost you a lot of money. Yeah.

Radio Host: Wow. You said you had an interest in technology and computers and stuff. Had you worked on it beforehand?

SEO CoPilot: No, just an interest.

Radio Host: It’s a complete career change for me. And at what point did you take that interest and go, I can make a business out of this?

SEO CoPilot: When my friend said, Will you build my website?

Radio Host: Oh. And that was it. That was the trigger. So you built the website, worked out SEO, and thought…

SEO CoPilot: Yeah, just got fascinated by it, really, and it stayed with me. I’m just as fascinated now, all these years on, because it’s just developing, evolving all the time.

Radio Host: Well, I mean, I think, as you said, that Google is always changing. It never stands still. Your business that’s grown in the six years has just been you to how many do you employ?

SEO CoPilot: Yeah. There are eight of us now, including Copywriters. Fantastic team as well. Couldn’t ask for a better bunch of people. Motivated and very talented as well.

Radio Host: And where do you recruit the team from? Are they local or further afield?

SEO CoPilot: Usually local. We’ve got one lad that’s an apprentice, a couple of lads that have come from Chesterfield College.

Radio Host: And do you find the college, like, a good source of staff and training?

SEO CoPilot: Yeah, definitely. The people that have come for me are really good, high quality, good people.

Radio Host: It’s a relatively new industry, isn’t it? So do you find it is attractive to young people?

SEO CoPilot: I think a lot more are getting interested in it now. These lads were actually at college for web design, and Gabriel’s design and stuff like that, so came to do a little bit of extra work for me over holidays and things like that. And obviously now got a passion for the SEO because they just find it interesting. But it’s not something really that’s covered too much. I don’t think. In college, it’s covered, but to a smaller degree.

Radio Host: Probably, with it being so new. I mean, it’s always been around, but people are just beginning to understand the importance of it with a website.

SEO CoPilot: I think, as well, because the SEO is forever evolving, forever changing. It’s hard for people to actually teach it because, by the time they’ve got everything set up to teach, it’s changed.

Radio Host: Does that make it difficult for you as a business keeping up with this?

SEO CoPilot: Not really, because now I’ve got the knowledge that I’ve got, I just have to keep up to date, which is a far smaller task.

Radio Host: But it must be when Google decides to change something, you’ve got to go with it, haven’t you?

SEO CoPilot: Yeah. The SEO industry does chat online and discuss what’s happening and what people think of new updates and changes, etc., etc., because everybody’s figuring out what the changes are and how we need to change our approach.

Radio Host: And do you think this will be how it is for the foreseeable future? It’s almost like everybody is dancing to Google’s tune, isn’t it?

SEO CoPilot: I find it difficult to see anyone overtaking them in the near future, but I’m sure something will change at some point.

Radio Host: Right, I’m going to take a short break. We’ll be back in a bit to talk more with chesterfield champion guy SEO CoPilot from SEO CoPilot.

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Radio Host: Hello and welcome back. I’m talking to Chesterfield champion guy SEO CoPilot from SEO CoPilot. We’re talking all things Google and SEO and websites, which, if you like websites or you have a business, you’ll be very interested in, but we were just talking during the break. You set up the business six years ago, and you set it up in Chesterfield, and I said, you’re from Sheffield originally. Why set up the business in Chesterfield? And your answer was.

SEO CoPilot: Because I live in Chesterfield, but it makes no difference where I am because I can service clients anywhere around the world because that’s how powerful the internet is.

Radio Host: So you say clients around the world. Which countries are you working with clients in?

SEO CoPilot: I’ve got clients in the States, one in Canada, and obviously all around the UK.

Radio Host: So, how do the overseas ones find out about you? You’re not offering them Google ranking services for £99?

SEO CoPilot: No, that’s definitely not me. Some of those have been recommended, or likes of LinkedIn find you.

Radio Host: Yeah.

SEO CoPilot: So, yeah, basically recommendations or LinkedIn.

Radio Host: I suppose with it being the internet, which doesn’t really have any boundaries, you can work anywhere for anyone, can’t you?

SEO CoPilot: Yeah, I can work for anybody, doesn’t matter where they are. We can have online meetings, video meetings, video chats, etc., etc., where we’ve got an online portal where we can discuss work between us, share ideas, share visuals of websites, etc., and people love it wherever they are. There’s an app on the phone, so we can discuss between myself, the client, and my team and work through the project, so it works seamlessly, so it doesn’t really matter where they are.

Radio Host: So you’re based down on Sheffield Road, the top of Sheffield Road, aren’t you?

SEO CoPilot: Yeah.

Radio Host: So, like you said, you could really be based anywhere, and your client meetings are all happening at your offices, and they’re happening online and everything. Is there one thing that Chesterfield could do that would benefit your business? I think it’s good that you haven’t to think it would signify that everything.

SEO CoPilot: Either that or slow. I can’t think of anything offhand, really. Not specifically for my business, anyway.

Radio Host: That’s always really good to know. How have you seen Chesterfield change in the you’ve had the business here six years, but you’ve lived here ten years, haven’t you? How have you seen Chesterfield change in that time?

SEO CoPilot: Well, it seems to be developing quite a bit from when I first came here. It took me a while to feel my feet in Chesterfield, but it’s grown on me. I like the place, like the people, and it does seem to be growing. Seems to be a lot going on, developing it seems like an up-and-coming town, so it’s good to be part of it, really.

Radio Host: Do you work with many local companies?

SEO CoPilot: I network quite a bit with different companies, yeah. I think everyone seems to stick together in Chesterfield. And do small businesses do seem to help each other out?

Radio Host: It certainly is a tightly-knit community, isn’t it?

SEO CoPilot: Yeah.

Radio Host: This later this year, May the 25th to be exact, there are some data regulations coming in, so I joked about these companies that spam you offering to get you to the top of Google, but these new data regulations, called GDPR, I believe, hopefully, will stop this spamming. And people emailing you randomly. Do you think this will have any effect on how you do business or your industry does business? Are we going to stop getting these emails?

SEO CoPilot: Honestly, probably not. I think it’ll cut it down a lot. I myself don’t market that way. I think the only people that market that way in my industry are more the shady characters, like, say, $99 to get number one in Google. I don’t market that way.

Radio Host: And if you’re a startup business, so maybe you’re struggling, that pops up in your inbox. We promise you this. We promise you that. It’s very tempting.

SEO CoPilot: Yeah, it’s a shame because, but that’s what I think, that they’re basically preying on people that really can’t afford a proper SEO campaign. £99 or dollars a month to get to number one, and all your worries are over. Sounds good! And also, because a lot of small business owners don’t understand SEO, some of the things that these companies put into their emails to scare you half to death that this is missing from your website this is broke, and that’s wrong.

Most of it’s just cloud cuckoo land. It’s not even real. They send it over to me about my site, and all of my sites is clean, so it just doesn’t make any sense. But if somebody doesn’t know, they can easily be taken into that, but it’s just not going to do them any good. And a lot of times, it can do them a lot of harm.

Radio Host: Ohh, really! How?

SEO CoPilot: Well. If this company is not very good at what they do, you could actually get a penalty and end up nowhere and have to start again.

Radio Host: Alright.

SEO CoPilot: Which is a shame. Yeah.

Radio Host: Your £99 can just be the tip of the iceberg because I’m guessing they don’t stop there. They want more and more money.

SEO CoPilot: Yeah, they can often upsell. You want a premium package or titanium package or whatever, and it’s only another £200. So people get drawn in and end up spending more money, but unfortunately, they just don’t get anything from it. You need to speak to somebody that you can deal with that knows what they’re talking about in the same language often as well.

Radio Host: So if you have got a business, obviously, you’ve said, we’ve already gone through Google’s, got a list of something like 200 criteria that websites need to meet. You’ve got a big team working with you doing this. Smaller businesses, startups can’t afford to come to someone like you or a website designer or SEO. What would your piece of advice be to them as they’re starting out on their business journey?

SEO CoPilot: I would say they could build a website or get a fairly cheap website built on something like WordPress that is very user-friendly. You don’t need any coding knowledge. If they’ve got a business and they just need an online brochure, maybe like a DIY website will be good enough just as a backup. So if you give somebody a business card, they can look online, look at your website, look at some of the jobs that you check you out.

If you need business from the internet, then you really need to go to somebody that knows what they’re talking about. If you need to get inquiries from the internet, but if, like, say, it’s just going to be a brochure, then maybe a DIY would be good. But it’s not the best format to move forward because when you’re ready to move up, you’re probably going to have to have the whole thing rebuilt, which can be expensive. So sometimes it’s better to start right.

Radio Host: I think many years ago, when I started out, you got a website done, and you just put it there, and it sat there for years and years and years. But the internet moves at such a pace now. How often would you say that a company should be looking at their website and looking to, if not refresh it, do a new one?

SEO CoPilot: Well, there’s this upkeep that you need to do weekly, daily on your website. There’s an awful lot of work needs to be done these days, and fresh content needs to be going on at least a bare minimum once a month. And what I would do is go to a website. You can just search for the best SEO basic sites. You’ll find out the top ten. Just go and find the basics. Make sure you keep your website as clean as possible, and just learn the basics of SEO. Make sure you’ve got Google analytics installed.

Radio Host: It’s quite easy.

SEO CoPilot: It’s free, and you can find that. And Google Search Console, I’ll not go too in-depth, but people can find out about it online.

Radio Host: So even the basics of SEO is better than no SEO. And there are websites out there that have top tips and things like that.

SEO CoPilot: Yeah, right.

Radio Host: Okay, we’re going to take a short break. We’ll be back in a bit to talk more with guy SEO CoPilot from SEO CoPilot.

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Radio Host: Welcome back. I’m talking to Chesterfield champion guy SEO CoPilot from SEO CoPilot. That’s an unusual name. How did you come up with it?

SEO CoPilot: It’s funny, actually. 60 years ago, when I was thinking what to call my business, I used to do video editing, which my son actually now does at college. And I used to follow a chap and his company was called Video Copilot, and I always liked that name. I thought it was interesting. So then, when I got into SEO, me and my son we were chatting over different things, what should call it, and basically together, we decided to put it together and call it SEO Copilot because I like the copilot with their side by side with you all the way through. So that’s how the name came about.

Radio Host: So, side by side, how old is your son now?

SEO CoPilot: He’s 17 this March.

Radio Host: So 17, do you think can you ever see yourselves working side by side?

SEO CoPilot: Possibly. It’d be entertaining. Yeah, I could see that in the future.

Radio Host: You can see it.

SEO CoPilot: Maybe he can’t see it. Maybe I’ll be working for him.

Radio Host: Yeah, maybe. What’s next for the business?

SEO CoPilot: Well, we’ll be expanding again next year.

Radio Host: You hope? Yeah, or maybe later this year.

SEO CoPilot: Yeah, maybe later this year as well. Client base is growing, especially on the web development side as well, which is growing.

Radio Host: Yeah. When you say web development, is that like taking a website from scratch and building it?

SEO CoPilot: Yeah, either website from scratch or if it’s an SEO client, we often have to rebuild and redesign the website because it’s not being built well enough to start with. It’s like a family car trying to win the Grand Prix. It’s not going to happen.

Radio Host: You kind of got to get into that engine and tune it and put some different tires on it.

SEO CoPilot: Yeah. So you’ve got to start from the foundations.

Radio Host: So, are you taking on more people? What kind of roles are you looking for them to fill?

SEO CoPilot: Web development, we’re pushing forward lots of different aspects of the SEO. There are so many different jobs to do with that. And graphic design, I’ve got a great lad doing graphic design, so as that builds, he’ll need some help as well, so we’ll be looking for talent. I’ve got my eye on a couple of people, but also, the college is a great source some great talent coming through the colleges.

Radio Host: And you were saying that you’ve got an apprentice who’s currently through the college at the minute?

SEO CoPilot: Yeah.

Radio Host: What about before youngsters leave school? Do you offer work experience?

SEO CoPilot: We do. We’ve got a couple of work experiences coming in the new year. I think it’s really important to help kids these days because work is completely different to college, so they need the experience. So I’m more than happy to take them on, help them, guide them. I like to see people grow and come up through the ranks, really.

Radio Host: And I suppose, relatively speaking, you are operating in quite a new industry, aren’t you?

SEO CoPilot: Possibly, yeah!

Radio Host: Even though you’ve been going for a few years.

SEO CoPilot: But it was me personally.

Radio Host: The business. But these new industries, they kind of haven’t filtered into the school’s career systems yet, have they? So while they’re looking at the traditional jobs, your nurses, your doctors, and teachers, things like becoming a web developer and SEO programmer, would you be SEO person? They’re not really being addressed in schools.

SEO CoPilot: No, I don’t think they are, even at the college. I know they do cover some SEO basics at college when they do the web design courses, but I don’t believe they go too in-depth because SEO, there’s no governing body, and SEO is developing and changing all the time. So it’s going to be difficult for them to always be up to date and teaching the pupils the latest techniques and how things should be done.

Radio Host: You said there’s no governing body. Do you think there needs to be an element of regulation?

SEO CoPilot: It’s been tried before, but it never seems to. I don’t think it ever can be.

Radio Host: What areas would be regulated if they could be, do you think?

SEO CoPilot: Well, I think Google is self-regulating with its penalties. Something wrong, you get penalized.

Radio Host: But it’s very much Google’s become a bit of bigger brother. Everything you do through Google, whether it’s your email account or your website search, or your social media, it’s tracked you. I mean, you watch these programs, hunted, where they go after the celebrity, they try and go on the run, and they can just use their phones and their internet history to track their lives, can’t they?

SEO CoPilot: Google stores an awful lot of data on people, and also they know who you’re related to, who you did with, the known names that you’re associated with. They know what you’ve searched online. If you search for a new laptop in the morning, by the afternoon, if you go back on, there are laptop advertisements popped all over the place because they know you’re already interested. So it’s targeted marketing. So, yeah, data is a big thing for Google.

Radio Host: If you wanted to escape that and go online anonymously, is it possible?

SEO CoPilot: To a degree. There’s a search engine called DuckDuckGo.

Radio Host: DuckDuckGo.

SEO CoPilot: DuckDuckGo.

Radio Host: That’s like quack quack!

SEO CoPilot: Yeah. That’s it. And they don’t monitor your searches. That’s growing.

Radio Host: Will you still get the same kind of results?

SEO CoPilot: The results aren’t bad, to be fair. They’re not bad at all. They’re not as good as Google because I think they’ll be difficult to catch Google, but they’re not bad at all. So, yeah, maybe give that a go.

Radio Host: Have you used it yourself?

SEO CoPilot: I shouldn’t be saying that again because Google, should I? No comment.

Radio Host: What excites you about Chesterfield and developing your business here?

SEO CoPilot: Just I like the place. It’s growing. It’s buzzing. The people that you meet, the small business owners that you meet all seem to be quite passionate. Everyone seems to want to help each other out. Yeah, it’s a nice place. Looking forward to seeing where everything goes.

Radio Host: Couldn’t say it better myself, guy SEO CoPilot from SEO copilot. Thank you very much for your time today!

SEO CoPilot: Pleasure!

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